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Author Topic: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog  (Read 50845 times)

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Offline PrincessMilissa777

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2017, 02:35:49 AM »
Hi,

yes im still working on it as the release of the 1.14x series of D2 patches introduced a big bunch of new and heavy problems.
Maybe someone should tell blizzard to stop development and release of senseless patches. Sadly at least i have to support 1.14d.

Greetings

Seltsamuel


When pigs fly?! I got it to work with 1.14d but it stutters alot. I have windows 10. Damn good software.

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2017, 03:50:27 AM »
Hi,

yes im still working on it as the release of the 1.14x series of D2 patches introduced a big bunch of new and heavy problems.
Maybe someone should tell blizzard to stop development and release of senseless patches. Sadly at least i have to support 1.14d.

Greetings

Seltsamuel


Or, you know... just complete the work on what you were originally working on and release than, then work on the other Blizzard patches later :P
As any developer should do :)
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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2017, 01:06:14 PM »
Hi,

normally a wise hint.. but as 1.14x broke D2SE it had no real sense to release the 1.13d stuff which stopped working with a instaled 1.14x also.
The new D2SE is meantime a complete rewrite and im working on it the entire free time i have. Because of the many additional Problems i encountered i cant tell when it will be finished as i also adress the general annoying problems of d2 in regards to ASLR and realm checksumming in combination with D2SE.. but at least im doing again good progress at the moment so i maybe will be able soon to at least start internal alpha tests.. the rest depends on the found problems and bugs found in these.

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2017, 01:14:27 PM »
Have you considered partnering up with one or more individuals, or opening the source, in order to assist you with lack of time and or knowledge areas?
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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2017, 06:36:20 PM »
Hi,

it may sound arrogant but it isnt meant this way you can trust me there but i already told in connection with snej that im working on a level where i do not know a single person beeing able to help me. Even when i could get the help of Nefarius, Necrolis or Dav92 that are high skilled they have own projects and the same lack of time and introducing them to what i have done so far would cost more time than i could spare. My actual problem is really not a lack of knowledge where i need help but it is really time that is missing as especially neutralizing ASLR against microsofts implementation is a high skilled task and depends on many try and error scenarios as its not meant to get circumvented ^^. The same goes for technology like loading .dll from ram and let them still behave like normally loaded ones.. any skilled programmer can tell you this is not doable.. but it is you just need knowledge of hidden windows internals that only few people have. All this are a few of many things affecting D2SE only but aditionally you need the same skills you would need for Snej in regards to deep knowledge of assembly and ollydebug and deep knowledge of d2 code internals.. the next thing is im one of the really few using not c++ but plain c for all my modding stuff and now in the new D2SE a external project for the UI that you need to learn how to use.. .. all these things have a high complexity and a normal user wouldnt even think about how complex this is and as such how much time it eats up even for me and im now 46 and programmer since im 12.
You should not forget no one from us has the sources of D2 so creating a new game from ground up is magnitudes more easy than modifying a binary code and D2SE is not only a loader like all the other multi versioning tools but a complete replacement of blizzards game.exe (you can delete it D2SE does not use it) and aditionally fixes many bugs inside blizzards code in terms of compatibility to modern windows versions and glide.

I really know that im long time overdue with a new release and because im not updating my progress here its even more dissatisfying but the introduction of the 1.14x versions and the high frequency of blizzards releases there really kicked my ass because these versions are completely different to handle than the .dll concept and as such rendered the majority of my code useless, so as i had already to rethink my code design i took this as a chance to look for solutions for other annoying problems like ASLR... i thought im already way overdue .. so it doesnt matter if i include this too. It doesnt matter how long it takes until the release is ready, but it has to be worth the wait. Thats my opinion meantime and you can be sure it will be worth the wait.

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #85 on: May 16, 2017, 02:27:30 AM »
I understand now, and that is an excellent response explaining your situation.

I wish you the best of luck with ASLR and the blizzard patches!


I am sorry if I have offended you in my comments on this matter.
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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2017, 02:49:51 PM »
Hi,

you are welcome and did not offend me in any way as  the Question was absolutely understandable and im sure you are not alone with this, thats why i decided to give a longer answer to explain my points. Fact is with 1.14x blizzard kicked the entire modding community back to zero without giving any new noteworthy content or feature back to them. I even do not think this was intentionaly but the new coderteam has simply no idea about the consequences and seem to have simply no idea or connection to the modding community.

In regards to open sourcing the D2SE Modmanager.. this will not happen, not because im a selfish ignorant with a god complex but because of several good reasons:

1. I do not want to have Forks of D2SE that are all incompatible to each other.. as this will destroy the idea behind it to build a single and common platform for all (every modder has a defined state of files he can rely on and working ways to activate all existing mod systems aswell as loading own mpq and .dll, all this without influencing other mods or beeing influenced from them because every mod is separate in his private space including the savegames).

2. Im using windows internals and technics that could be used in malware and real bad programs.. especially for dll loading and circumventing ASLR. Releasing the sources would possibly get attention from the wrong people or microsoft to close the holes. So its better to get not too much attention on these.

3. D2SE and Snej both rely on my D2SE Modsystem Framework which is the only existing modsystem that is multiversion. The bad thing is that the multiversion concept got hit by the 1.14x versions even more than the base Modmanager code and is in heavy restructuration and as such way beyond beeing releaseready for the public. The work on the Framework is by the way another reason for the delays on the Modmanager.. it all is connected together.
 
Greetings

Seltsamuel

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2017, 03:52:33 AM »
Not open sourcing because "you are the only one capable of working on it" does not sound arrogant, it is. The fact that you do not have the time to work on it is actually a very good reason to release it. You never know who might come across the project and decide to contribute. Not to mention you're free to accept/deny pull requests if you like/dislike what was contributed. And I don't see why people would start release a bunch of random modification branches, at this point they're better off just writing their own launcher. Also, if you have to circumvent the OS' core features and security by using security holes and such, to get it working, chances are you are doing it really wrong.


Additionally, D2SE offers absolutely no documentation as to what it does in terms of patching the game. Not only could these patches be useful for the modding community, since you are saying it fixes bugs with Glide and other things, but it's also a pain for extensively code edited mods. My project for example, crashes D2SE, and without a full documentation of what D2SE does to the game, I have no way to tell what's causing it without going into a deep reversing session. At this point I just gave up on D2SE support for my project, so much for "one platform for every mod".

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Re: D2SE Modmanager V2.3 Announcement & Patchlog
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2017, 01:43:17 PM »
Hi,

you are welcome and did not offend me in any way as  the Question was absolutely understandable and im sure you are not alone with this, thats why i decided to give a longer answer to explain my points. Fact is with 1.14x blizzard kicked the entire modding community back to zero without giving any new noteworthy content or feature back to them. I even do not think this was intentionaly but the new coderteam has simply no idea about the consequences and seem to have simply no idea or connection to the modding community.

well, but what about an intermediate version that support only up to 1.12 or such? I didn't hear of mods upper than 1.12 and i think people who wanna play the fully upgraded vanilla on 1.12 are just a minor part. Upgrade the plugin after ages or have a decent internal alternative to plugy is better imho, especially since the waiting is already infinite.

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